Comments on: Freedom as seen by a moderate pessimist

By: Bush

Bush — Thu, 02 Feb 2006 19:44:00 +0000

hey Tololy,
i finally decided to chk ur blog…and wow i was amazed..way to go sis.

By: TuNiSiaNo

TuNiSiaNo — Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:24:00 +0000

Yes he did.
Equality introduces fairness.
In an aristocratic system you could ask someone why he is poor.
He would reply that he is the son of a poor and that he had no choice.

By: Devil's Mind

Devil's Mind — Thu, 02 Feb 2006 11:29:00 +0000

[quote]In this trend : then what is being better than someone ?[/quote]
the answer is as vague as the answer to: “who is fitter?” according to Darwinism.
Also, probably as vague as “in what aspects should people be equal?… and in which not?”
u actually seem to acknowlege that considering your comment.

i take two quotes by Tocqueville that make me think we both agree on certain stuff:
- “The man who asks of freedom anything other than itself is born to be a slave.”
- “Americans are so enamoured of equality they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.” (which i think is constructive criticizm to americans)

but in short, does Tocqueville seem to suggest that Freedom and Equality are nessary for each other?

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 02 Feb 2006 05:32:00 +0000

Devil’s mind. Your Marxist interpretation is not incorrect. I believe you are refering to Marx’s response of Buer’s Political emancipation and citizenship. To clarify, Political emancipation, the separation of church and state, secuarizing the body politik, etc,
Marx argued that political emancipation is not nearly enough, as religiosity would find its way into the politics of the day by means of civil society in the democracy. Think of the US and the way that abortion laws are affected by religious based organizations and lobbyists.

Marx called on the other hand, in his critique of Bauer, on human emancipation which is the removal of religiosity/religion from civil society as being more important than formally removing religion from government. As such religious discrimination would be history.

Essentially, freedom from religion begets equality in civil society
khaled

By: TuNiSiaNo

TuNiSiaNo — Thu, 02 Feb 2006 03:05:00 +0000

In this trend : then what is being better than someone ?
If it’s money then it depends on your will and your skill.
If someone is interested in being a billionar maybe another one isn’t.
But everybody should be given the right to chose.
Equality in rights is ok.
If you heard about Tocqueville there is a deeper analisys which I think has a link with all these concepts.

By: Devil's Mind

Devil's Mind — Thu, 02 Feb 2006 01:46:00 +0000

[quote]Freedom needs Equality.[/quote]
Or maybe, Freedom abolishes Equality.
Im not sure about that, its just a thought.
This depends on your definition of both freedom and equality. But if i am not free to be better than you, where is the freedom?
Excuse my great apreciation of Darwinism, but Freedom leads to Equality eventually; at least thats what Marxists seem to think. (based on my humble and probably very flawed understanding of Marxism)

By: Devil's Mind

Devil's Mind — Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:48:00 +0000

roughly speaking; overlooking determinism and its compatability with free will dilemma; i’d say, from an earthly point of view: Humans are Free even when chained behind bars!

i mean, we have the choice of making rules. and the choice to break them.
the thing is that the will -assuming it is a free will- of the fitter -as darwin defines it- overwhelms other wills.

By: TuNiSiaNo

TuNiSiaNo — Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:33:00 +0000

Theology and Atheism can’t guarantee Freedom.
Neither Anarchy.
Freedom needs Equality.