Comments on: On this International Women’s Day http://tololy.com/2006/03/08/on-this-international-womens-day/ Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:03:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: Devil's Mind http://tololy.com/2006/03/08/on-this-international-womens-day/#comment-4238 Devil's Mind Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:29:27 +0000 http://www.tololy.com/2006/03/08/on-this-international-womens-day/#comment-4238 Tololy regarding the dispute few comments above, please read my blog entry titled "<a href="http://zeidspex.blogspot.com/2006/11/right-to-discriminate.html">The Right To Discriminate</a>" Tololy regarding the dispute few comments above, please read my blog entry titled "<a href="http://zeidspex.blogspot.com/2006/11/right-to-discriminate.html">The Right To Discriminate</a>"

]]> By: Shaykhspeara Sha'ira http://tololy.com/2006/03/08/on-this-international-womens-day/#comment-4237 Shaykhspeara Sha'ira Sun, 12 Mar 2006 01:22:00 +0000 http://www.tololy.com/2006/03/08/on-this-international-womens-day/#comment-4237 Indeed one cannot dictate what others think however the perception of women with hijab as being less sophisticated or open-minded is fuelled by media, and thus in that light, one may call for ones right to not be ridiculed as such in media. It is, I presume, common knowledge that media in many ways dictate the way people perceive the foreign and unknown. In Sweden this month, a debate will be held on Swedish national television with 8 muslim women discussing such similar issues. I cannot force anyone to view me as open-minded or less sophisticated but I can demand a media that is not islamophobic or racist or anti-semitic. Indeed one cannot dictate what others think however the perception of women with hijab as being less sophisticated or open-minded is fuelled by media, and thus in that light, one may call for ones right to not be ridiculed as such in media.

It is, I presume, common knowledge that media in many ways dictate the way people perceive the foreign and unknown.

In Sweden this month, a debate will be held on Swedish national television with 8 muslim women discussing such similar issues.

I cannot force anyone to view me as open-minded or less sophisticated but I can demand a media that is not islamophobic or racist or anti-semitic.

]]> By: Mother Damnable http://tololy.com/2006/03/08/on-this-international-womens-day/#comment-4236 Mother Damnable Sat, 11 Mar 2006 18:22:00 +0000 http://www.tololy.com/2006/03/08/on-this-international-womens-day/#comment-4236 Happy belated women's day, thank you for being there :>) Some women I have spoken to here say they wear the veil to keep them from western contamination ~I can understand how they feel. I often wrap my veil around my face and would love to go to the market like that, but I would get such a reaction! I second your call, and hope people stop discriminating because of what others choose to wear. Happy belated women’s day, thank you for being there :>)

Some women I have spoken to here say they wear the veil to keep them from western contamination ~I can understand how they feel.

I often wrap my veil around my face and would love to go to the market like that, but I would get such a reaction!

I second your call, and hope people stop discriminating because of what others choose to wear.

]]> By: Devil's Mind http://tololy.com/2006/03/08/on-this-international-womens-day/#comment-4235 Devil's Mind Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:43:00 +0000 http://www.tololy.com/2006/03/08/on-this-international-womens-day/#comment-4235 I'll share with you this real story that happened just yesterday at uni.. One of what i am used to call "lazga" (clingers) people started talking to me, while doing so some Muhajabeh girl walked by n said 'hi' to me, and naturally said 'hi' back; now the guy asked: "do you talk to Muhajabah?", "well.... yeah!", "i am a muslim, and think it is degrading to talk to a Muhajaba, how come u dont?"; I answered: "i just dont care!", "well, for me, i know i wouldnt", so i said: "7agak" (thats justifiable) Surely, lets remember that almost all people are double standards, later on, talking to the same guy, he said: "You know, that other time a Christian girl really pissed me off: I started talking to her, and then she asked me not to... why i asked her why, she said its because im a Muslim"; so i said: "i know, religious bigotry sucks, but she has the right to chose who she wants to talk to." I am totally against discrimination of all kinds; but fighting discrimination <I>should not be done</I> by limiting the freedom of thought of other people... The guy (the lazga), and that christian girl both have the <I>right</I> to form opinions about people around them <I>without limitation</I> wether those reasons are good or not.... and have the right to chose which people they talk to or not! I am against religious bigotry, and thats one of the reasons i am an atheist; still i have no right to tell others what religion they believe in, right? And similarly i am against other types of discrimination, but you cant dictate others to have the same views as yours.... But you can at least ask for your legitamate rights... Thats my whole point.... wish my long post wasnt much of a bore! I’ll share with you this real story that happened just yesterday at uni..

One of what i am used to call “lazga” (clingers) people started talking to me, while doing so some Muhajabeh girl walked by n said ‘hi’ to me, and naturally said ‘hi’ back; now the guy asked: “do you talk to Muhajabah?”, “well…. yeah!”, “i am a muslim, and think it is degrading to talk to a Muhajaba, how come u dont?”;
I answered: “i just dont care!”, “well, for me, i know i wouldnt”, so i said: “7agak” (thats justifiable)

Surely, lets remember that almost all people are double standards, later on, talking to the same guy, he said: “You know, that other time a Christian girl really pissed me off: I started talking to her, and then she asked me not to… why i asked her why, she said its because im a Muslim”; so i said: “i know, religious bigotry sucks, but she has the right to chose who she wants to talk to.”

I am totally against discrimination of all kinds; but fighting discrimination should not be done by limiting the freedom of thought of other people… The guy (the lazga), and that christian girl both have the right to form opinions about people around them without limitation wether those reasons are good or not…. and have the right to chose which people they talk to or not!

I am against religious bigotry, and thats one of the reasons i am an atheist; still i have no right to tell others what religion they believe in, right?
And similarly i am against other types of discrimination, but you cant dictate others to have the same views as yours…. But you can at least ask for your legitamate rights…

Thats my whole point….
wish my long post wasnt much of a bore!

]]> By: moi http://tololy.com/2006/03/08/on-this-international-womens-day/#comment-4234 moi Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:07:00 +0000 http://www.tololy.com/2006/03/08/on-this-international-womens-day/#comment-4234 I believe that Tololy's analogy regarding the African American struggle is definitely relevant to the hijab issue. I would say that just as African Americans did not want to be discriminated against simply because of the color of their skin, Muslim women who wear the hijab also do not want to be discriminated against because of the way they dress. I don't think we can dictate what people think, but when those thoughts become actions then that is where the rights issue comes in. Personally, and I don't want to generalize, I believe that women who wear the hijab in Arab countries are increasingly being discriminated against (or just looked down upon) because of their dress, more so than women who do so in the West. Thank you for bringing up this issue Tololy. I believe that Tololy’s analogy regarding the African American struggle is definitely relevant to the hijab issue. I would say that just as African Americans did not want to be discriminated against simply because of the color of their skin, Muslim women who wear the hijab also do not want to be discriminated against because of the way they dress. I don’t think we can dictate what people think, but when those thoughts become actions then that is where the rights issue comes in. Personally, and I don’t want to generalize, I believe that women who wear the hijab in Arab countries are increasingly being discriminated against (or just looked down upon) because of their dress, more so than women who do so in the West.
Thank you for bringing up this issue Tololy.

]]> By: Devil's Mind http://tololy.com/2006/03/08/on-this-international-womens-day/#comment-4233 Devil's Mind Thu, 09 Mar 2006 23:54:00 +0000 http://www.tololy.com/2006/03/08/on-this-international-womens-day/#comment-4233 Excuse my slow-wittedness, but i dont see how this relates to the point i raised... my point is, all people are equal in front of the law: there is no doubt there; but you cant tell people whowhat to likeappreciate because that their personal opinions.... I am not sure my previous point was correctly perceived... Excuse my slow-wittedness, but i dont see how this relates to the point i raised… my point is, all people are equal in front of the law: there is no doubt there; but you cant tell people whowhat to likeappreciate because that their personal opinions….

I am not sure my previous point was correctly perceived…

]]> By: Tololy http://tololy.com/2006/03/08/on-this-international-womens-day/#comment-4232 Tololy Thu, 09 Mar 2006 23:39:00 +0000 http://www.tololy.com/2006/03/08/on-this-international-womens-day/#comment-4232 You know Devil's Mind, for one reason or another, your comment brought to my mind the struggle of African Americans to be treated equally. Didn't the bus operator tell Rosa Parks to stand up and let the "white" man sit because she was thought to be "less" in all aspects? She certainly did not think she was less, and now the whole world knows, even the bits of it that did not want to admit this, that people of African roots are not better or worse than all others. I think I did your questions right with this answer. You know Devil’s Mind, for one reason or another, your comment brought to my mind the struggle of African Americans to be treated equally. Didn’t the bus operator tell Rosa Parks to stand up and let the “white” man sit because she was thought to be “less” in all aspects? She certainly did not think she was less, and now the whole world knows, even the bits of it that did not want to admit this, that people of African roots are not better or worse than all others.

I think I did your questions right with this answer.

]]> By: Devil's Mind http://tololy.com/2006/03/08/on-this-international-womens-day/#comment-4231 Devil's Mind Thu, 09 Mar 2006 23:31:00 +0000 http://www.tololy.com/2006/03/08/on-this-international-womens-day/#comment-4231 but now seriously: do u really think "not being considered less open-minded" etc etc, is a 'right'? I mean right to vote... ok; right to do something whatever that is.... ok; but dictating what other people think of you? is that legit? Its like a singer asking for his 'right' that people think his songs rock... which is kinda absurd! but now seriously: do u really think “not being considered less open-minded” etc etc, is a ‘right’? I mean right to vote… ok; right to do something whatever that is…. ok; but dictating what other people think of you? is that legit? Its like a singer asking for his ‘right’ that people think his songs rock… which is kinda absurd!

]]> By: Abu Sinan http://tololy.com/2006/03/08/on-this-international-womens-day/#comment-4230 Abu Sinan Thu, 09 Mar 2006 20:49:00 +0000 http://www.tololy.com/2006/03/08/on-this-international-womens-day/#comment-4230 Oh, I guess I should add that it is nice to see another Muslim and mahajaba who gets into punk and goth type music. Sume, a convert to Islam and mahajaba is a former punker/goth like I am. My wife insists she will put hijab on someday. Of course she wore it in Saudi, but not here. We were just wondering the looks we would get with her in hijab with a big white guy with tonnes of tattoos. She be interesting...... Her site is pretty good. Check it out sometime. Oh, I guess I should add that it is nice to see another Muslim and mahajaba who gets into punk and goth type music. Sume, a convert to Islam and mahajaba is a former punker/goth like I am.

My wife insists she will put hijab on someday. Of course she wore it in Saudi, but not here. We were just wondering the looks we would get with her in hijab with a big white guy with tonnes of tattoos. She be interesting……

Her site is pretty good. Check it out sometime.

]]> By: Betqa http://tololy.com/2006/03/08/on-this-international-womens-day/#comment-4229 Betqa Thu, 09 Mar 2006 20:44:00 +0000 http://www.tololy.com/2006/03/08/on-this-international-womens-day/#comment-4229 Tololy: great blog! And happy belated women's day to you. anonymous coward: In some European countries they celebrate the fest of the Holy Martyrs on Mrch 10th as men's day... Then of course, North America has father's day on the 1st Sunday of June Tololy: great blog! And happy belated women’s day to you.
anonymous coward: In some European countries they celebrate the fest of the Holy Martyrs on Mrch 10th as men’s day… Then of course, North America has father’s day on the 1st Sunday of June

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