Comments on: Salon: Define democracy http://www.tololy.com/2006/06/21/salon-define-democracy/ Tag free. No labels. Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:24:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Qwaider ????? http://www.tololy.com/2006/06/21/salon-define-democracy/#comment-2348 Qwaider ????? Thu, 22 Jun 2006 18:15:56 +0000 http://www.tololy.com/2006/06/21/salon-define-democracy/#comment-2348 Tololy .... is it your graduation today?<br /><br />ALf Alf Mabrook. Why didn't you post something about it?<br /> Tololy …. is it your graduation today?<br /><br />ALf Alf Mabrook. Why didn’t you post something about it?<br />

]]> By: Tamara http://www.tololy.com/2006/06/21/salon-define-democracy/#comment-2344 Tamara Thu, 22 Jun 2006 07:03:34 +0000 http://www.tololy.com/2006/06/21/salon-define-democracy/#comment-2344 <p class="MsoNormal" dir="rtl" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><span dir="ltr"><font size="2">Democracy is the human attempt towards social justice …right? so claiming that we are all knowing and we have the best solution ( for any thing) to me sound unrealistic, in the attempt of that we will defiantly be driven by our own interests, and in most cases be oblivious to the needs of others…on our side that's the best we could come up with.</font></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" dir="rtl" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><span dir="ltr"> <p><font size="2">&nbsp;</font></p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" dir="rtl" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><span dir="ltr"><font size="2"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</span>For that I would like to see the Islamic laws implemented…and please if any one is thinking on commenting on the cutting of hands or refer to Al-Qaida …please do a bit more reading before mindlessly repeating the opinion of others..</font></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" dir="rtl" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><span dir="ltr"><font size="2">Democracy is the human attempt towards social justice …right? so claiming that we are all knowing and we have the best solution ( for any thing) to me sound unrealistic, in the attempt of that we will defiantly be driven by our own interests, and in most cases be oblivious to the needs of others…on our side that’s the best we could come up with.</font></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" dir="rtl" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left" align="left"><span dir="ltr"><font size="2"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</span>For that I would like to see the Islamic laws implemented…and please if any one is thinking on commenting on the cutting of hands or refer to Al-Qaida …please do a bit more reading before mindlessly repeating the opinion of others..</font></span></p>

]]> By: Qwaider ????? http://www.tololy.com/2006/06/21/salon-define-democracy/#comment-2343 Qwaider ????? Thu, 22 Jun 2006 06:40:15 +0000 http://www.tololy.com/2006/06/21/salon-define-democracy/#comment-2343 Best alternative to democracy is Anarchi. Everyone does what ever the hell they want :D Best alternative to democracy is Anarchi. Everyone does what ever the hell they want :D

]]> By: Peter S http://www.tololy.com/2006/06/21/salon-define-democracy/#comment-2341 Peter S Thu, 22 Jun 2006 04:47:28 +0000 http://www.tololy.com/2006/06/21/salon-define-democracy/#comment-2341 <p>Rami,</p> <p>What, then, do you regard as a suitable alternative to democracy?</p> <p>Rami,</p>
<p>What, then, do you regard as a suitable alternative to democracy?</p>

]]> By: Rami http://www.tololy.com/2006/06/21/salon-define-democracy/#comment-2340 Rami Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:57:26 +0000 http://www.tololy.com/2006/06/21/salon-define-democracy/#comment-2340 <p>Ask Ghaddafi to define it:</p> <p>(Demo = people in Arabic, </p> <p>Cracy = from 'karasi' - chairs.</p> <p>It simply means the people on the (ruling) chair, lol. </p> <p>Democracy is fraught with problems (tyranny of the majority, energy dissipation of society, lack of complete information leading to irrational decisions, assumption of rationality, practically unfeasible in today's numbers...etc).</p> <p>What to do? Strike a balance and accept 'representative' democracy as in the USA. That is closer to Oligarcy than it is to democracy - the Senators and Representatives are now a clique/gang.</p> <p>Read Plato (The Republic) on why he thinks Democracy is a bad idea.</p> <p>Ask Ghaddafi to define it:</p>
<p>(Demo = people in Arabic, </p>
<p>Cracy = from ‘karasi’ - chairs.</p>
<p>It simply means the people on the (ruling) chair, lol. </p>
<p>Democracy is fraught with problems (tyranny of the majority, energy dissipation of society, lack of complete information leading to irrational decisions, assumption of rationality, practically unfeasible in today’s numbers…etc).</p>
<p>What to do? Strike a balance and accept ‘representative’ democracy as in the USA. That is closer to Oligarcy than it is to democracy - the Senators and Representatives are now a clique/gang.</p>
<p>Read Plato (The Republic) on why he thinks Democracy is a bad idea.</p>

]]> By: ????? Qwaider http://www.tololy.com/2006/06/21/salon-define-democracy/#comment-2339 ????? Qwaider Wed, 21 Jun 2006 23:32:14 +0000 http://www.tololy.com/2006/06/21/salon-define-democracy/#comment-2339 <p>Black cats, Freedom and democracy are two different things. They're not the same</p> <p>What you're describing is freedom, and not democracy</p> <p>Black cats, Freedom and democracy are two different things. They’re not the same</p>
<p>What you’re describing is freedom, and not democracy</p>

]]> By: Peter S http://www.tololy.com/2006/06/21/salon-define-democracy/#comment-2338 Peter S Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:50:24 +0000 http://www.tololy.com/2006/06/21/salon-define-democracy/#comment-2338 <p>Democracy in essence is that the govern get to select who represent and govern them. It is a messy, slow, complicated, imperfect&nbsp;process. </p> <p>Despite it's imperfections, it is superior to other forms of government in that it is the only one that acknowledges the primacy of the governed. Other forms of government invariably regard ordinary people as subjects rather than citizens. And, I think, there is a certain vitality that cannot be released until people have a sense of ownership over their government. A former president of Harvard once observed that no one has ever washed a rented car. He meant this as a metaphor for dictactorial governments. If people believe that rent rather than own their governments, the best energies a society has to offer will never be directed toward the common good.</p> <p></p> <p>Democracy in essence is that the govern get to select who represent and govern them. It is a messy, slow, complicated, imperfect&nbsp;process. </p>
<p>Despite it’s imperfections, it is superior to other forms of government in that it is the only one that acknowledges the primacy of the governed. Other forms of government invariably regard ordinary people as subjects rather than citizens. And, I think, there is a certain vitality that cannot be released until people have a sense of ownership over their government. A former president of Harvard once observed that no one has ever washed a rented car. He meant this as a metaphor for dictactorial governments. If people believe that rent rather than own their governments, the best energies a society has to offer will never be directed toward the common good.</p>
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]]> By: Devil's Mind http://www.tololy.com/2006/06/21/salon-define-democracy/#comment-2334 Devil's Mind Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:12:28 +0000 http://www.tololy.com/2006/06/21/salon-define-democracy/#comment-2334 Democrasy is the implementation of positive utilitarianism theories into practice (&lt;u&gt;Utilitarianism:&lt;/u&gt; belief that usefulness is the basis of virtue and that decisions should be made according to what will be good for the greatest number of people)<br />Ideally, democracy should not be based on representatives but rather polls for all people so as to represent real reflection of the Majority will...<br />I love Thomas Jefferson's (a former US president) quote: "A democracy is nothing more than an angry mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine."<br />Personally, I discredit democracy as it can justify heinous crimes like rape, murder, racism and virtually anything as long as there are quantitatively more people support such crimes!!<br /> Democrasy is the implementation of positive utilitarianism theories into practice (&lt;u&gt;Utilitarianism:&lt;/u&gt; belief that usefulness is the basis of virtue and that decisions should be made
according to what will be good for the greatest number of people)<br />Ideally, democracy should not be based on representatives but rather polls for all people so as to represent real reflection of the Majority will…<br />I love Thomas Jefferson’s (a former US president) quote: "A democracy is nothing more than an angry mob rule, where fifty-one percent
of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine."<br />Personally, I discredit democracy as it can justify heinous crimes like rape, murder, racism and virtually anything as long as there are quantitatively more people support such crimes!!<br />

]]> By: Dave http://www.tololy.com/2006/06/21/salon-define-democracy/#comment-2332 Dave Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:58:28 +0000 http://www.tololy.com/2006/06/21/salon-define-democracy/#comment-2332 Democracy means simply the bludgeoning of the people, by the people, for the people. - Oscar Wilde Democracy means simply the bludgeoning of the people, by the people, for the people. - Oscar Wilde

]]> By: Balck Cats http://www.tololy.com/2006/06/21/salon-define-democracy/#comment-2330 Balck Cats Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:46:58 +0000 http://www.tololy.com/2006/06/21/salon-define-democracy/#comment-2330 <div style="text-align: right; font-weight: bold;">??????????? ?? ?? ???? ???? ????? ??? ???? ?? ???? ????? ???? ???? ??? ????? ?????? ??????? ??? ???? ?? ???? ?? ???? ?? ?????? ?????<br />?? ???? ?? ???? ?? ???? ?? ???? ???? ????? ??? ?? ??? ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ?? ???? ??????? -????? ????? ????? ???? ???? ???????- ??? ????? ?? ??? ?????? ??????? ????? ?? ??????? ?... ???... ??? ?? ???? ????? ??????????? ?? ?????? ???????? ?? ??? ?? ???? ???? ????? ??????? ???? ??? ??????? ????? ??????? ??????? ??????? ???? ???? ?????? ?????? ????? ???? ??????? ??? ????? ????? ????? ?????<br /> </div> <div style="text-align: right; font-weight: bold;">??????????? ?? ?? ???? ???? ????? ??? ???? ?? ???? ????? ???? ???? ??? ????? ?????? ??????? ??? ???? ?? ???? ?? ???? ?? ?????? ?????<br />?? ???? ?? ???? ?? ???? ?? ???? ???? ????? ??? ?? ??? ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ?? ???? ??????? -????? ????? ????? ???? ???? ???????- ??? ????? ?? ??? ?????? ??????? ????? ?? ??????? ?… ???… ??? ?? ???? ????? ??????????? ?? ?????? ???????? ?? ??? ?? ???? ???? ????? ??????? ???? ??? ??????? ????? ??????? ??????? ??????? ???? ???? ?????? ?????? ????? ???? ??????? ??? ????? ????? ????? ?????<br />

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]]> By: Qwaider ????? http://www.tololy.com/2006/06/21/salon-define-democracy/#comment-2326 Qwaider ????? Wed, 21 Jun 2006 06:04:45 +0000 http://www.tololy.com/2006/06/21/salon-define-democracy/#comment-2326 <p class="MsoNormal">Real, full democracy. Doesn't exist anywhere. In it's purist form it expects that people are 100% good and there is no evil. It's also based on the primes that everyone will be doing what's best for the society and not personal interests which is totally against human nature.<br /> Another reason why pure democracy doesn't work is the sheer amount of bureaucracy that it entails. Everything needs everyone's agreement and has to go all the way to the top to get approved. It just doesn't work like this. <br /> That's why there are, sort of democracies, but no real one exists or ever existed or will ever exis<span style="font-family: Arial;">t</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><o:p _moz-userdefined="" /></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal">Real, full democracy. Doesn’t exist anywhere. In it’s purist
form it expects that people are 100% good and there is no evil. It’s also based
on the primes that everyone will be doing what’s best for the society and not
personal interests which is totally against human nature.<br />
Another reason why pure democracy doesn’t work is the sheer amount of bureaucracy
that it entails. Everything needs everyone’s agreement and has to go all the
way to the top to get approved. It just doesn’t work like this. <br />
That’s why there are, sort of democracies, but no real one exists or ever
existed or will ever exis<span style="font-family: Arial;">t</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><o:p _moz-userdefined="" /></span></p>

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