Comments on: Moderates no more?

By: Black Cats

Black Cats — Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:22:50 +0000

Its not about believe or not, its all about what to be done, Vincent.

By: Vincent

Vincent — Fri, 21 Jul 2006 18:05:09 +0000

No, Tololy. You are right. The destruction in Lebanon is all too real. I wish I could make it stop. I, however, cannot.

All I can do is offer my opinion on the causes and future solutions to the events currently playing out. Unfortunately, those solutions don’t seem to be as in vogue as "destroy Israel and drive out the unbelievers". But I do what I can.

By: Anon

Anon — Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:58:39 +0000

Interesting discussion Totoly.

Lisa has an excellent post ,with lots of additional info ,on this subject (plus 70 comments):

http://ontheface.blogware.com/blog/_archives/2006/7/20/2142505.html#comments

By: Tololy

Tololy — Fri, 21 Jul 2006 06:18:28 +0000

Vincent,

You can’t possibly "simply point out" that the picture was "staged" and not back that up with evidence, something credible, please, and expect people to nod at what you claim.

This picture does not concern many people. It is ugly, I’ll give you that. What concerns everyone, however, is the amount of destruction inflected on Lebanon (which, in case this slipped by, is much much more than what has happened in Israel. The latter is unfortunate as well). Please tell me that is staged, too, so I can sleep better at night. I would be delighted if that turned out to be a fantasy and not as real as it is.

By: Vincent

Vincent — Fri, 21 Jul 2006 05:31:41 +0000

I’ll simply point out that the "Israeli children writing messages on ordnance" picture was staged by photographers and really holds no candle to the sort of bizarre, violent, anti-Israel/Jew pornography that Palestinian children are subjected to.

Anyways, continue with the fantasy.

By: bassel

bassel — Thu, 20 Jul 2006 10:48:30 +0000

and by the way peter, even the corrupted arabic goverment..who as edward saed said in his book are the appointments of a previous occupying forces, don’t want peace with israel cause this would make them naked and face to face with the people with commitments along the economy and other social things that they can’t make becuase they don’t know how because they are not elected but appointed,,,which brings us back to the issue that they are not elected …why…previous occupying forces….well it’s our issue now to deal with them….how…you tell me how…

i give it to israel that they have a well built state, elected one but this doesn’t even start a democracy..why ? read what um khalil said in her last post and read the link of lawrence of cyberia…….

By: bassel

bassel — Thu, 20 Jul 2006 10:39:06 +0000

and Tololoy … by the way, you must be astonished of this number of posts….

By: bassel

bassel — Thu, 20 Jul 2006 10:34:24 +0000

Sometimes i get this crazy but not far fetched idea…..

forces that have the power of pulling the hidden strings of world economy are using israel as an excuse or more appropriately putting israel infront of the fire to try to get as much benefits as possible of what this part of the world has to offer.

if you sometimes get the idea that all arabs want to annhiliate israel then you partly (not totally) wrong. after the war of 1948, the arab world tried to get the israelis to be under a one state along with the palestinians, keeping the arab jews each in his country and limiting immigration from europe. israel didn’t accept. After that came abdel nasser in egypt who fueld the area for a long time, but in a major shift, it turned out that the israeli society has shifted from a communist or let’s say socialist society to a liberal pro-usa one. this shift turned out to be good for usa to benefit as much as it can by getting the ussr out of this region, this was crowned by saddat biasinf towards USA. but have you ever thought that the ONLY country that always gains of this war is USA…selling arms, keeping both sides intimidated, getting oil at cheaper prices (79 $ a barrel today is still cheap considering the prices in the 80’s and similar cases of war in the middle east).

at the conference of 2003 (actuall arab summit in beirut) all and i mean all arab countries agreed on accepting israel as a part of this land if it gave back the land of 1967 and let the refugees go back to it. why did israel refuse? and the arabs where really sincere in this? because the hawks in USA realized that this would end the undeclared state of war here.???

many many questions but no answers…….

think this PETER:

if israel gave back Shebaa farms and the lebanese prisoners from the first imes …then hizbollah would loose his legitimacy in fighting for occupied lands because their are none…if you tell me they’re fighting for israel, i’ll tell you yes, but they already accepted the 2003 decrees in beirut!!!!!!

By: Bushz

Bushz — Thu, 20 Jul 2006 07:30:23 +0000

this is the outcome of war…..

http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/07/17/photo-of-the-day-israeli-kids-sends-gifts-of-love-to-arab-kids/

By: umkahlil

umkahlil — Thu, 20 Jul 2006 06:20:19 +0000

Lawrence of Cyberia has an excellent and easy to understand post on Right of Return today: "Now Do You Understand the Right of Return?"

http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/news/2006/07/now_do_you_unde_1.html

and Devil’s Mind, exactly.